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MarkusL
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nice to see the introduction of a new fuel. I use Concept-Fuel on all my R&B engines, would like the same high-quality with a higher oil-percentage for some of my other motors.

Can we have some infos to oil percentages of the new Monster-Fuel?? how much Castor??

thank-you

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Tobberloth
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From what I've read you don't want castor in your fuel (if you're using pull started engines) because it can make the one way bearing slip. But I am sure it is OK if you run normal race engines like the C5 or WS7

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Its a completely new and different type of oil we use in this formula and it is confidential. We spend too much time developing this to just reveal what is inside for others to copy after.

All I can tell you is that there is still castrol present, only how much I cannot tell you, what is most important is that is works great... [Smile]

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MarkusL
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Ok let me formulate my Question differently. I need 25% Nitro and the equivilant of 10-14% oil. Would your new fuel cover these requirements?
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No, the oil content is around 10% for the rest I cannot tell you more, sorry.

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Tobberloth
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What are the main diferences between Concept 25 and Monster fuel then? And what are the consequences we see when using it, compared to the 2?

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The difference is probably they blends of oils and possibly the percentage of oils. Typically monster fuels have contained between 1-3 % more oil.

I wish I could get Rody's RB fuels here, but no one stocks it at all.

Rody: Is Byrons Race 2500 good with the TM728? Or should I be using Trinity 25% Monster HP?

Those are the 2 my hobby store guy recommends.

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We have always heard good things about Byrons Race fuels...they seem to be very easy on the engines (perhaps because of the high oil content)...

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What do you mean Bryon's has high oil content? Seems to be as close to 10% as there is out there.

RACE 2000 are blended with 12% total lubrication while RACE 2500, RACE 3000 and RACE 4000 are blended with an 11% total oil content.

Taken from: http://www.byronfuels.com/

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The oil we use in the Monster Fuel is a different type of castor/synthetic oil combination which after quite some testing we found better adapted for the monster truck engines.

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Tobberloth
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Do I need to shim the engine head or something else, prior to using the
new orange fuel? I know it is neccesary if I go up with nitro %, but I
really don't know the composition of this fuel, thus not knowing what
to
do..

Tobberloth

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No need to change anything when using the RB Concept Monster Fuel.

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Tobberloth
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Well, final question then: What glow plug would you advise for this fuel in combination with the TM728? I have got a few 1055-6 and 1056-7 plugs in my box.

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The 1055-6 when it is cold and the 1056-7 when it is hot(25°C or more) outside.

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Ok Thanks

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I'm having issues with RB #6 plugs fouling out. I am running rich still (not completely broken in), but the stock one lasted 2 tanks of break in. Now it's fouling every tank. Should I lean things out or continue the break in?

I now moved to an OS #8 until my LHS stocks the RB #6 again.

Running Byrons RACE 2500 with 11% oil.

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Could be you are running the engine too rich and too cool so the oil sticks on the wire of the glowplug and make it act weird.

Run the engine a little hotter by leaning out the HSN.

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Tobberloth
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Well, I have bought 3 cans of Monster fuel and after testing I can say: It really performs good! Of course you will have to do some slight tuning (and I am not really there yet also..) but it deliveres a good bang. And of course the orange color really looks cool, handy when checking your fuel level.
Only one remark: After about 250cc I wanted to restart the engine, but it didn’t turn over. The one way bearing was slipping. I thought: okay, can happen after a time, so I tore the engine apart and degreased the bearing. After installing it back I tested of course, and my engine turned over nicely.
Ran the tank dry and wanted to apply after run oil. A few drops in the carb, and a few pulls-NOT_ It slipped again. Could this be something in the fuel or is it just worn? I must say I have never had a slipping issue before, but almost instantly when I began using Monster fuel.
I am really happy with the product, but the disability to start my Savage any other way than by pullstart, makes a slipping bearing a real problem.
Or does someone know a way to start it with the flywheel, thus bypassing the bearing?

Tobberloth

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